Eminem Will Never Be The G.O.A.T.
Yeah I said it. Eminem will never be looked at as the Greatest of all time. NEVER. This is not saying that he isn’t a good artist, because he is. I am just giving it to you straight, no chaser. Eminem has sold millions of albums, and has made millions of dollars, but one thing he will never be is the G.O.A.T. Why you ask? Look here and let me school you.
To be the best you have to battle the best. Eminem has ZERO rap battles under his belt. Everlast you say. EVERLAST? Even if we do count that one, where does that battle rank on your all time list? If he would have battled Everlast in 93-94 when House of Pain was popping, that would have been different. He took on a rapper turned country singer! Look at the list of people that Marshall has had public beefs with: Brittney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Elton John, Moby, Fred Durst, NSync, Backstreet Boys, Insane Clown Posse, Mariah Carey, Nick Cannon, Nelly, Benzino, the Source, and XXL. Don’t say Ja Rule either, that was a pile on and Eminem just jumped on top of it. Look at the list and show me some real competition. To be the man you have to beat the man, and by the looks of it Eminem likes taking shots at women.
I know some of you can’t wait to get to the end of this to call me everything EXCEPT King Jerm, but think about it, what makes Eminem so special? If he was a black rapper with the same exact lyrics, he would be CANIBUS. No one would care about him and he never would have been this successful. If you don’t think that his complexion has anything to do with it…you are CRAZY. Who would listen to a rapper talk ill of his mom, rap about abusing drugs, and killing people? NOBODY. The man has skills but I don’t see the big deal. Most rappers are battletested, Marshall isn’t, so let his record reflect that. He IS NOT and WILL NOT be the GOAT.
A-fucking-men. Preach!
fucking idiot, if you did any research at all, you would find that he won freestyle rap battles in order to GET his record deal. Also, in his early career, he fought off Canibus and Cage, both rappers that many would consider on the top-tier.
Also, unlike Canibus, Em actually has HOOKS. His rhymes are nothing like fucking CAnibus. Canibus just spits full on lyrics, Eminem actually has story-line in most of his rhymes. I’m not saying Eminem is the best rapper ever, he is not, it just sounds like you’re writing a complete opinion article without doing a little, i don’t know, RESEARCH.
But then again, i shouldn’t ever take your opinion seriously anyway, you continuously promote that annoying kiddo Soulja Boy as the King of Atlanta, and giving Rick Ross a 4.5 doesn’t do many favors for creditability anyways. Whatever.
I get your point, but I honestly think he was referring to more high profile beefs or at least a worthy/half-worthy opponent. For example: If all Jay-Z did was battle rappers like Meeno from Mase’s Harlem World or Jayo Felony (2 rappers he actually did battler early in his career), his stock as the top dog in Hip-Hop would be suspect. Yes Eminem did battle Canibus and Cage but do you consider that a worthy challenge? Do you think Em has any battles under his belt that compare to Nas vs Jay, 50 vs Jay, LL vs Moe, shit, even Canubus vs LL. It seems to me that he rides his hardest when it comes to pop standards like Britney Spears or N-Sync. I would have even took him battling Ross. This Mariah Carey shit has no back and forth. Yeas he ethered her. But so what?
Cage had a beef with Eminem for biting his style. The two dropped names (and even made a couple diss tracks), but it never took off for someone to decide who the winner was.
Anyways, who cares about Eminem. He will never be the goat, tell me something else that is new.
I’m a idiot? Wow. But you still didn’t name any artists that he “battled” with. I’m sure every rapper has been in a 8 Mile style battle, but Everlast is Em’s only “rap battle”.
the truth hurts don’t it?
hah ok first of all king dumbass u support police officers and kids so i wouldnt expect you to understand second Eminem already is on top and goes in and out whenever he wants….let me ask you something who has dre battled¿ who has bone thugs battled¿ brotha lynch¿ hmm seems to me you have no clue what a real top rated mofucka is about just because someone does it that way doesnt make it THE WAY…Eminem cannot be compared to anyone which explains why no one else can say and talk about the shit he does. so please in the future keep you over-opinionated shit to yourself
You obviously have me mixed up with someone that doesn’t know their history.
I support POLICE? DO ME A FAVOR…STICK A 9MM IN YOUR MOUTH AND OPEN UP THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD.
http://3rdshift513.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/rickross.jpg?w=389&h=259
have you not seen this¿
btw is that all you got out of that argument?
lol
i guess u didnt wanna respond to the rest of my shit which shows your a hater lol
@wtfgoat
So when did a CO become a COP? You are a dumbass! I don’t need to respond I said what I had to say in the post.
Complete cosign.
Jerm this is probably the most biased uneducated argument I’ve ever read.
Get in line. What “educated” research is needed for this statement?
Really?
Em will never be the GOAT. FACE IT.
You made it sound like Everlast retired a country singer even though he’s a member of La Coka Nostra.
You didn’t mention his beef with Royce Da 5′9, Canibus, or Cage. But you mentioned Brittney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Elton John, Moby, Fred Durst, NSync, and the Backstreet boys. Em had beef with them huh? You don’t understand the blatant differences between name-dropping and having beef.
You said Em wasn’t battle-proven, even though he made his name on the battle-rap circuit. An oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one.
And I would never even think about Marshall Mathers and GOAT in one sentence together.
i don’t get it; you told him his argument was bias, but just agreed with him there.
Holy shit this post is going to piss ALOT of people off…
I’ve never cared much for Em, he’s got skills but, he’s only where he’s at because of Dre…
Co-sign
Co-sign x2.
I def agree with you on this one. He’s sort of wack because he be gettin after people who don’t do anything. When Rick Ross was talkin sideways Em didnt even go after him!!!! Eminem likes fighting these lil baby fights.
Why do people keep brining up the Rick Ross shit like it’s really a big deal? Ross was just talkin shit about record sales, similar to the 50-Kanye thing. Once Ross’s “Deeper that fat/rap” album flopped and “Relapse” did numbers, there’s really nothing for Em to say.
Just face it, the man’s hot. Let’s stop the hate crimes people.
y’all some hating ass ppl, i thought yall knew real hip hop…i’m black and i think eminem is the best if not the greatest…Ask yourself who in the game 2day could go lyrics 2 lyrics with this guy? NOBODY…the reason he dont battle these others rappers is becuz he will eat the alive…this is the only rapper 2day that can kill a dre beat.if this dude was black he would be the greatest and yall know it…im sick and tired of hearing the same drug slanging, fucking bitches, and all the cash…these broke bitches aint shit………
Lyrics my nigga??? He talks about things different than OTHER rappers, but he, himself, talks about the SAME THING. EVERY ALBUM. Takin drugs,killing people, pyschotic erotic stuff, pop stars, and molestation etc. Tell me that’s not redundant. I can give Eminem the greatest flow of all time because his schemes and delivery are abosolutely the sickest, but HE IS NOT GREATEST, NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER THE COLOR!
PREEEACH! Thank you…..its all good thats why there rappers are officer ricky ross (which i dont understand he could have used any name but chose one that represents a guy famous for ruining millions of lives) and soulja boy (who cant find anything to rap about other thans himself) btw who have they battled¿
yo watever…name 1 rapper that can stand with him? NOBODY, yea the stuff he talks about is his life, so do these others non-rapping motherfuckers. this dude shut down a powerful hip-hop magazine, just becuz his beef was with known rappers dont mean shit… just give credit where credit is due ppl….
so you think that Em took down the Sauce? GTFOH with that bullshit. You don’t think that the Board of Directors voting out Zino & Mays had anything to do with it? You don’t think the mismanagement of the magazine by Zino & Mays had anything to do with it? Please don’t give that nigga credit for XXL being a better magazine than the Sauce. A magazine that Eminem dissed and it seems to be doing pretty well.
Take Em’s dick out ya mouth.
i bet your favorite rapper couldn’t fuck with him, y’all motherfuckers don’t know shit, but the same stupid shit that be on the airwaves dumb asses…… now take my dick out your mouth bitch
If youre gonna talk on battle standpoint you can say the same about Jay-Z he runs from battles and the only battle he ever got in he got slaughtered
Jay got slaughtered? When did that happen?
what were u under a rock in 02, you know exactly what im talkin bout nas killed jay
“Most rappers are battletested, Marshall isn’t, so let his record reflect that. He IS NOT and WILL NOT be the GOAT”…
WTF:
“Most rappers are battletested, Marshall isn’t, so let his record reflect that. He IS NOT and WILL NOT be the GOAT”…
WTF: King Jerm turn that shit 2 King Sperm…..
who did lil wayne, rick ross, drake, fabolous, freeway, joell ortiz, lupe, kanye, and the other hot mc’s 2day…….who in the hell did they battle with, yall ppl dont know shit………
Nas eats up anyone on that list. You acutally think Kanye is a nice emcee? Some of these kids missed summer school.
you are a dumbass. GREAT RAPPERS DON’T DO THE SHIT THAT EM DOES.
Follow suit of the other guy and remove Shady’s Shlong from off your forehead.
dumbass? why don’t you learn how to read before you add your input. i said nothing about eminem. i was talking about that wack ass list of “hot” emcees you made.
none of the ppl on that list are even close to being the GOAT…
So for order to be a G.O.A.T. you have to have had a beef? fuck your lyrical talent or you what you bring to the table as an artist, its about who you beef with? this Fucking website is full of shit!
name a GOAT that didn’t have any stripes. You got to be a 5 Star General to be the GOAT. Beating up on Pop acts aint the way to get those stars.
The smartest thing ever written on this site.
Co-sign but not just cuz of battles, he has too many silly songs and rhymes too. Still a great rapper tho
yo pancho i was just gonna say the same thing . listen to his first few albums and tell me he isnt close to the GOAT spot . so what if big had beef with pac… does that put him ahead? ppft
Yall act like Jerm takin away from Eminem being a good artist. You niggas need to re-read. HE SAID HE AINT GOAT(WHICH HE AINT) NOT THAT HE’S A BAD RAPPER BECAUSE HE AINT BATTLED.
“To be the best you have to battle the best. Eminem has ZERO rap battles under his belt.”
lol just lol shut the fuck up
Nigga yousa a dumbass. What the fuck does this statement “To be the best you have to battle the best. Eminem has ZERO rap battles under his belt.” have to do with being a good or bad rapper. It just says you can’t be the best rapper. I wish I could slap yo punk ass for saying that dumb shit.
yea nas is G.O.A.T.
To take a line from Coming to America and twist it….
He beat Jay-Z’s ass… On his own track no less with Renegade. Now I’m not calling Jay a measuring stick of any sort but come on people. The dude is on his game and in my personal opinion I’m sick of Nas being a measuring stick.
Put Eminem on any beat and he will ride it like a jockey on a quarter horse in the Kentucky Derby. There’s a pedigree to rap and he’s at the top.
I still think Notorious and Big Pun would eat 95% of the rap game anyway and we’d be free of the trash called hip hop now that’s just controversy since they’ve passed on (RIP) and maybe I’m a purist. In any event I don’t get on stuff like this often so I leave you with Verse 1 of Dream Shatterer by Big Punisher. This cat had something special.
Aiyyo I shatter dreams like Jordan, assault and batter your team
Your squadron’ll be barred from rap like Adam & Eve from the garden
I’m carvin my initials on your forehead
So every night before bed you see the “BP” shine off the board head
Reverse that, I curse at the first wack nigga with the worst rap
cause he ain’t worth jack
Hit him with a thousand pounds of pressure per slap
Make his whole body jerk back, watch the earth crack
hand him his purse back
I’m the first Latin rapper to baffle your skull
Master the flow, niggaz be swearin I’m blacker than coal
Like Nat King, I be rappin and tounge’s packin
The ones, magnums, cannons and gatling guns
It’s Big Pun! The one and only son of Tony… Montana
You ain’t promised manana in the rotten manzana
C’mon pana we be mob rhymers
Feel the marijuana, snake bite, anaconda
A man of honor wouldn’t wanna try to match my persona
Sometimes rhymin I blow my own mind like Nirvana
Comma, and go the whole nine like Madonna
Go try to find another rhymer with my kinda grammar…
When you awaken, your manhood’ll be taken
Fakin like you Satan when I’m the rhymin abomination
Wow, damn, King Jerm went from praisin soulja and gucci to goin in on Eminem, and I actually agree with this one, FINALLY someone said it, he only got known because of the buzz from Dre and his skin color, people try to market him as the crazy white guy with skills……………………..He doesn’t compare to some people when it comes to crazy, plus his voice can get really annoying, but he has some good songs
G.O.A.T. is The Notorious BIG or 2Pac, your choice. But Eminem right now, with what Jay-Z just put out, is the Best Rapper Alive.
LAWD, Y’all gonna STOP disrespecting Rakim Allah.
THIS GUY IS ACTUALLY AN INTERNET GENERATION DUMB KID…I DONT DO THIS OFTEN BUT HEY THIS IS THE LIFE NOW IM I WRONG AND DROPPING TRUTH IS GOOD. THIS GUY IS DUMB FUCK, NO1 FUCKS WITH EMINEM BECAUSE THEY NO BETTER AND FOR THAT REASON HE HAS NO ONE TO DISS. HE IS CERTIFIED G.O.A.T. GREAT EMCEE AND RAPPER. DISSING THEM CHICKS AND THAT IS FUNNY.
one’s value as an artist and the content in their songs is way more important than rap battles and beefs, yeah they mean something, but just becuase a rapper doesnt spend their time shitin on someone doesnt mean they’re not great
em shits on the celebrities cuz he has a distaste for them? what dont tell me you praise the likes of nsync, hana montana, britney spears. he has a distaste for mainstream america and lets it be known. its one of the many topics he talks about along with politics, drug addiction, soul searching, his daughter, his wife, his image, his childhood, anger, horror, comedy, being white, etc.
Em is good but he isn’t my favorite either. Hes a good lyricist and talented but as far as a GOAT, naw I don’t see it either. I’m a 2Pac person overall, and Nas. I don’t see Em on Notorious BIG nor Big L or Pun level. Shiiit I think Andre 3000 is better. I do like EM though, and I forgave him for fucking up 2Pac “Loyal To The Game” album and that “Encore” album.
First of all EM isn’t even close to being the GOAT. The GOAT of hip hop is KRS-ONE or RAKIM. Both would destroy EM in a rap battle. Do say EM can beat either of them because he cant . KRS-One took down a whole crew the “Juice Crew” for you suckas and Rakim is way more lyrical and smarter than EM would ever be. EM wouldn’t even be around in that era of hip hop.
Yo Fuck u dude! real talk, listen to Eminems past albums and listen to that word play and tell me canibus cant go hide to his momma
i know what KJ is saying here:
First off, all of you that are saying: “What?!? Skills don’t matter now??” Yes they do, and you read the article wrong.
How did Em get into the spotlight? It was SSLP, backed by Dre. Before that he released an album in 1995 that no one listened to, and it was before he brought out his crazy slim shady lyrics.
The fact that dude was white was getting EVERYONE’s attention, anyone who doesn’t agree with that is lying to themselves. Getting co-signed by Dre didn’t help either: nowadays, a Dre co-sign will get anyone noticed: 50 Cent is a perfect example!
But now here’s my point: if Em was black and didn’t get the Dre cosign, WHAT THEN?? Look at all the underground rappers we have who are better than the artists that are mainstream but will never get their due. Canibus, Lupe, Crooked I, De La Soul, Q-Tip, etc. You could even throw NAS up there. Eminem has won several grammy awards, and how many has Nas won? ZIP. How many grammys has Rakim won? NADA.
The reason why people like Jay-Z, who may have lost a battle against Nas, get called the GOAT is b/c they have skills AND have held their own against a legend. Plus, ppl STILL think Jay won.
Em’s got the classic albums, he’s got the fame, and the support. But if he took on a high profile rapper like Nas, Jay-Z, or The Game and won, even MORE people would be calling him the GOAT. Every single rapper that has ever been argued to be the GOAT has had a least one high profile rap battle. Period.
this article and the feature video are kind of contradictory.
I agree with you, Jerm, that Em will never be the G.O.A.T. for a lot of reasons, but not being a battle-tested rapper in not one of them. Dude did come up in the battle circuits of scribble jam, Rap Olympics and a bunch of other battlefields.
Just go on YouTube and search “Eminem + battle” and you’ll see a gang of videos with him battling MCs – including Rhymefest (although he took an L on that one). So, battle tested? Yeah, he is.
However, I co-sign completely that Em is the white Canibus. We ALL remember when ‘Bus did “2nd Round K.O.” and had us all hyped up – until he dropped his album talking about Area 51 and government conspiracies. Lyrics are only one part of the package.
Take away Dre and his skin colour and Em is just another faceless battle rapper with local street cred. And no record deal.
So are you saying that if Eminem were to get in rap battles he could be the goat? Since when does getting in rap beefs make you a better rapper? I thought it was all about skills? Eminem’s not even the best in my opinion I’m just saying that I don’t think that getting into rap beefs really makes you any better than someone who hasn’t been in rap battles.
Not saying beefs make you better, but every legend has one battle on rapsheet.
Krs had Shan
LL had Moe Dee and others
Nas had Jay
Jay had Nas
Big had Pac
Pac had Big
and so on.
Big did not have Pac, so stop sayin that. Anyone who knows anything knows that Pac simply came at biggie and Bad Boy, all the time, meanwhile Biggie never responded with not one single song. So now let me ask you this, Biggie never beefed with anyone, and the one guy who did come at his neck, he never even replied to. Does that make him less relevent as one of if the G.O.A.T? No it does’nt so why does battle rapping or lack of take Eminem out of the circle of Emcees who could be?
Just face it, the man’s hot. Let’s stop the hate crimes people. (I think I’ma make that my signature)lol
That makes no sense…Biggie is great, battled who?method man? redman? i guess ll cool j is the greatest rapper ever…it’s so many faces to hip hop, how is em wrong for touching on an untapped part of rap..so many rappers are one dimensional or care too much of what everyone else thinks..i thought hip hop was about speaking your mind, if not, what’s the point?
Biggie battled WHO?!? Nigga is you serious? GTFOH!
im going to throw this random shit out here. is anyone else waiting on that new futuristic leland to come out?
Umm…. Yeah. First off to say that Em did’nt battle the best is retarted. Not just because the statement is irrelevant, but because no M.C. has battled the best to be the best. You disagree? Then tell me who has battled the best and then been called the best themselves. The only credible battle you can really throw at me is Jay-z vs. Nas. And what’s crazy about that battle is that the two are always placed next to one another. One is never said to be better.
And if you know anything about Eminem then you know that he did come at everyone in “Till I Collapse”. True he never said names, but he did acknowledge himself as the best and dared other rappers to come at him and prove him wrong. Noone said a word. And to say that his race has something to do with his success, okay fine, but you have to admit that you’ll only say that he’ll never be the G.O.A.T because he’s white. You take away from the things that he says and how he says it solely because he’s white. And to say he’s a white Cannibus is stupid because he chewed Cannibus out the frame to the point that he never even responded to him.
Just be real, the man is hot and if he puts out another album that goes diamond then what more of a stronger argument can he make? Just stop the hate crimes people.
no one is racist here. it’s just that if Em had never caught on, we wouldn’t be arguing about him being the GOAT today.
How did Em catch on? He got a Dre cosign, made up a fake persona known as “slim shady”, and of course his skin color. If he had none of those, he would be Canibus. Or shit, even Lupe: he’d be a black rapper who’d be semi-unknown but had quality skills. Yeah, that sounds about right.
I don’t get how you can take away the things that made him a success. If I were to say, “If Micheal Jordan never got Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman, and Horris Grant, or was coached by Phil Jackson then he would’nt have been as good.”, I’d look stupid. If Eminem had’nt gotten signed by Dre he would’nt be relevent, okay fine, but he did. So that means he’s relevent. He does things with words that noone else does and nobody ever comes at him.
Just face it, the man’s hot. Let’s stop with the hate crimes people.
how come in these G.O.A.T. conversations nobody brings up tech n9ne?
You just answered you own question
king jerm, u coming off as sour dude. If XXL can say he is the greatest rapper alive, make a whole issue about his return and have everybody in the industry from jadakiss to Vinnie Paz talking about him, whether it’s a guest appearance or how he affected the game, why can’t u acknowledge that he is one of the GOAT (still to early in rap history to name that number one title)? i mean dude, just read that article for urself to see what I’m talking about. nobody changed the game like Em has, whether you wanna admit it or not.
You not talking about the magazine that dickrides all of Interscope artists are you? Not the one that has put an Interscope artist on the cover 10 times in 6 years? Not the magazine that USED to talk shit about Em and now they KISS his ass?
FOH.
Em is a good rapper..I said that. Is he GOAT status…NO.
If interscope was on top, then they deserved that shit, u gonna say “oh they always put them on the cover” just cause they was on top of shit…wtf, that sounds like when ya’ll said Weezy ain’t the best rapper alive because he has a feature on everybodies songs…wtf.
and to be GOAT, you have to atleast be in a battle with another great rapper? wtf…thats just ignorant bs that u made as an excuse to say he’s NOT GOAT. it should be based on ur skills and impact, not who u battled.
I dunno y u niggas riding for Eminem for G.O.A.T. status. Let’s be real, Big Daddy Kane is the best that ever touched the mic.
did I say eminem was GOAT? wtf, niggaz don’t fuckin read, this ain’t the slave ages man, read a paragraph
When his first 4 albums become classics like Rakim’s have, then he can be considered the GOAT.
That’s not gonna happen if you count SSLP as his 1st album cause Encore will probably never be classic. But if you start at Infinite…
Marshall Mathers LP (classic), Slim Shady LP (near classic). Infinite is a good start, but when you weigh in the factors it’s not a superior album. Eminem is not even halfways there to being in the talks of the goat.
Agreed but on a lot of his albums he’s just a couple of songs away from classic status and he’s always shown flashes of brilliance.
First thing First regardless of GOAT that is debatable with real Emcee’s. Let me break it down for the ones that don’t understand, IF EM was black or Latino having the same lyrics he would be just an avg underground style rapper buy by em being white is avg skills is blown up to be great by the lame I wanna be hip MTV generation ie white kids. Look at at his sales all the people that buy his stuff is white most the people that even buy black rappers stuff is white ever other listener to hiphop that is non white most likely gets bootleg one of the reason rappers still sell out of there trunk special mix tapes. Look at his tours who fills his seats white kids he only popular because white kids think they hip hop and his there savior to achieve this goal. Funny when em first came out in mainstream if I had a quarter for ever white friend I had that said they hated rap except EM I would be rich bill gates rich.
Not to sound mean or anything we all know why people think em is on top we all know why em won all those grammys. White poster child for so called hip hop
are you on crack?
He made a good point though.
“it is what it is”
Only thing he proved was fans like him are whats wrong with hiphop. Only looking at #’s….I couldnt give a shit how many dude sold. IF being white is the comduit for being rich what happened to Bubba, Haystak, and Lil Wyte?
Are you really that stupid? Your going to base your opinion for the G.O.A.T. on battling? If thats the case then Jay is out because he lost to Nas, Biggie is out because he never responded to Tupac and so on. Look at songs like Rock Bottom, If I had, Kim, Hailey’s Song, Till I Collapse and more. He’s considered the best by many because he actually has some of the most introspective music of any artist in Rap history. Moreover, he has the total package that included lyrics, flow, delivery and freestyles.
thanks for taking time out of your day to read the post AND comment on it.
xoxo
King Jerm
(BIG NO HOMO)
Agreed. Maybe the columnist should realize music is meant to be subjective, therefore, my opinion aint gonna be the same as his or yours for that matter. Fuck battle raps, (even tho that his how he got his upstart at the hiphop shop) dude is lyrically untouchable. W/o doubt my GOAT. Keyword…MY.
I dont think em is the GOAT. But the reason given for him not being it are retarded. No great rapper has EVER dissed him cos he is respected. Dre wouldnt have signed him if he was garbage.. Could you imagine how much that would have tarnished dre? He also has one iron clad rule that he does seem to live by with the battles: If you say hailies name he will go in on you. Ive been waiting for a big name rapper to do that, cos he actually mentions it quite a lot, almost as if hes telling people: ” I’ll fight you if you say the magic words..”
Yall just a bunch of haters who could never do anything tha eminem has ever done